Aug. 22, 2025

The Exorcism of VIlma Trujillo

The Exorcism of VIlma Trujillo
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(00:00:00) Intro
(00:01:47) Listener Story
(00:06:28) The Exorcism of VIlma Trujillo
(00:42:42) Spooky Recs

Vilma Trujillo was a young mother living in a very small, rural community in Nicaragua. Everything changed when she was believed to have been possessed by a demon and underwent an exorcism. 

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Sources
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/nicaragua_exorcism_vilma_trujillo_murder
https://www.eltiempo.com/mundo/latinoamerica/caso-del-exorcismo-de-vilma-trujillo-en-nicaragua-188008
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-39123952
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-39871690
https://english.elpais.com/elpais/2017/03/01/inenglish/1488382213_708071.html

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Hello, Hello, this is Christina and Carmen and this is

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another episode of Spooky Tells, a podcast for all things

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spooky true crime in Latin America. And we're back. Bebe.

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I was gonna say baby, but then maybe I should

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have said babe. I don't know. It's too late now,

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yeah it is. It is, you said, wen, And that's

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the take we're going with them anyway. Yeah, we're back

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after our break. I I'm almost done moving. I have

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unearthed my mic. Okay, I think we've yapped about enough.

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Yeah that's for a patron. If you are not a patron,

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you missed our episode, our yapp session. Okay, So on

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today's episode, I have to warn everyone. It is a

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tough one. The name. It's like, oh, it's just like

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a scary story, and then it's like, no, it's just terrible. Yeah.

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Oh you thought this was paranormal. It's actually probably terrible, violence, sexism,

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and I don't know what else. Yeah. Yeah, we are

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talking about the exorcism of vilmatru Jigo. But before that,

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we took first yes, but sorry, no you got excited.

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It's okay, I did, I did, But first a listener

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story and if you have a story that you want

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to send us. There are so many ways to get

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to us. You can email a spooky to dos at

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gmail dot com. You can DM us on any of

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our socials, you can call the Espooky Hotline, or you

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can submit it on Discord like this person did. And

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I don't know if they wanted their user name shared.

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I don't remember, so I might have not copied it down.

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But thanks so much for submitting it on Discord. You

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know who you are. Yeah, I don't think you included it,

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but they know who they are. They do, okay, and

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thank you listener. Here goes. I didn't know that I

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was gifted, as in I could feel spooky shit until

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this event when I was a teenager, and then my

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mom told me, oh, yeah, you were super sensitive as

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a kid, blah blah. So I guess this incident just

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made me realize. We were at a beach resort with

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our friends in Indonesia, and from the moment we got there,

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my mom was like dawie dabie poe, which is like

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excuse me in Tagalog. We also use it when we

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think that there are paranormal things around and we're trying

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to be respectful. I even made a comment to my

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mom telling her that the spirits probably didn't understand her.

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But I should have seen that as a sign, because

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my also sensitive mom felt something. We spent the day

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having fun at the beach, but some weird stuff happened,

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like when some of our friends took pictures in the

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room where all the girls, including me would sleep in,

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they saw skuls and their photos m mmmm, which we

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laughed off as the trick of a like girl. Someone

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swore that they saw a face in the trees, but

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she thinks that she was just tired from all the

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swimming and was hallucinating. A common side effect of swimming

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is seen. No, a common side effect of fatigue is

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hosting because I've been there, but skulls, you were hastening skulls. Okay,

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let's pause here for a moment. And basic training. When

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we had to do the last like long ass fucking

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rock march after they purposely didn't let us sleep, which

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is not something they're supposed to do. That's not sure. Yeah, basically,

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at least a couple of girls. I remember towards the

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end of the march, we were all dying and someone

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swore they saw shadows in the trees like it is

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very common. Yeah, okay, back to the story. And then

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my friend's grandma said, so, I saw step Ember go

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into the girls room, but when I ran to him

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to ask him why he was checking their room, and

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there was nobody there. Oh. We were all kind of

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freaked out, especially after the last event, but we all

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watched Andrew Lloyd Webber movies to distress and fall asleep. Anyway,

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we ended the night on the Phantom of the Opera,

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not relevant to story. That's what they wrote. I love that.

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I'll mentioned that because I love these details. I will

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say their brain works like our brain. Yes, the Phantom

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of the Opera not really something distressing. It's kind of

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like stressful to watch being tortured. I mean, I love,

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I do like the movie, but like it's not a

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relaxing watch. Yeah to somen So we all retired to

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our beds, expecting a good night's sleep and another fun

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day at the beach tomorrow. But nobody in my room

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got good sleep. Someone dreamt of demons, my sister heard

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knocking on her head rest, only to wake up to

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find nobody there. And I woke up to find someone

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pulling my blankets. M mmm, and I thought someone was

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messing with me, so I turned the light on, expecting

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to beret someone. But my blankets were moving and nobody

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was pulling it, at least from what I could see.

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I know I was awake because I was saying the

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Lord's Prayer over and over again until whatever it was

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stop pulling my blankets. They needed to make sure they

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were dreaming. Yeah, when the coast was clear and I

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stopped freaking out, I then went to my sister's bed

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and forced her to make space for me to crawl.

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She was okay with it because it made her bed

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less scary, but she didn't tell me about what she

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experienced until morning, so they were both scared because imagine

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she went in there to feel better. She's like, Yeah,

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someone would knocking here, like all night. When we woke

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up the next day and traded stories, we realized that

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this resort could actually be haunted. So instead of staying

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for two nights, we left after having breakfast. These people

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would survived the scary movie. Yes, they would have survived.

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Everyone in the resort villa minus my mom and dad,

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experienced some spooky shit, but I chucked it up to

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my mom, saying Tabi Tabi pole, which I found strange

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at first, but I guess the spooks thought she was

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being respectful and didn't bother her, even if I thought

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the Indonesian ghostis didn't speak a Filipino language, which turns

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out they did. What if tai po is universal oversall? Yeah, yeah,

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I think they understood the spirit of the gesture behind it. Yes, yeah,

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this was the start of my sister and I having

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other paranormal experiences since we realized that we were gifted,

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which I guess was given because both of our parents

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are also sensitive. But this was also the biggest thing

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that had happened. So this is a story I decided

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to tell. Well, tell us the rest of them. Well,

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if you have more, please, and then they just end

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the paragraph by saying, anyway, I love hearing your spooky stories. Okay,

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and yes, thank you again for saying that in And

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if you have any more stories, does send in because

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send them our way because you're gifted. So yeah, send

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them our away, okay, And we'll take a little break here,

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then we'll be back with my very depressing story. And

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we're back, and so again, this is the Exorcism of

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Wilma Trujillo and I want to say it was a

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couple of years back that we did a little mini

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series on exorcisms, and we had like one super creepy

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exorcism story that was like purely paranormal, and then we

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had like another depressing US episode where it was like,

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these are exorcisms, but really they're like true crime cases

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where these people were killed in the name of exorcisms. Yeah,

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and that's the thing about exorcisms, you know, they're dangerous,

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not in the spooky sense. Oh no, not in the

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spooky sense. Like now, within the Catholic Church today, there's

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very specific rules, which MJ went over when we did

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that series. These rules go out of the window when

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you leave these very strict guidelines of the Catholic Church.

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And that's as you say, it doesn't like whenever they're

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not approved and very specific, then yeah, that's when things

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are like anything's for game to them a little more risky, yes, exactly.

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And today's case is one of those. So it's not

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a parable case where it's like you're gonna listen to

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him like, oh that was scary. No, this is fucking depressing.

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This takes place in Nicaragua and If you guess that

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there's an evangelical church involved, you guess right. Twenty five

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year old Vitma Trujillo Garcia was the mother of two,

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a wife, a sister, and a friend. Her husband provided

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for the family, but she also made her own money

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selling artisanal goods. She sold cheese, banda mayis, and candies.

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And her favorite candies were kahitas it goco, which are

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coca flakes with caramel and frescos aros. And I believe

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these are like flavored or chatnas. Oh that makes sense.

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It is a rice drink. Yeah. And she would wake

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up before sunrise every day to prepare her goods to

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sell to her community. El Corte Sal in the municipality

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of Rosita, and there's also a town Rosita and Rosita

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and Rosita. The town is four hundred and eighty kilometers

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away from the capital of Nicaragua, which is Managua. And

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this area has a long history of exploitation by mining companies.

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It's very remote, with an unemployment rate of eighty percent.

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Oh wow. And Elcrtasal is even more remote than Rosita.

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It can hardly be called the pueblo. It doesn't show

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up on a map. To reach El Corte Sal from Rosita,

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you have to drive rugged roads on a four by

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four vehicle for two hours, and then four hours on

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a mule, and then another four hours walking through jungles

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and mountains. Damn. Yeah, that's how remote this is. There's

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no schools there, there's no doctors, no podable water, no

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police department, nothing, just you know. Obviously, the people who

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live there like their homesteads, small farmland. That reminds me

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of the movie that we watched at the remember the

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Oh yes, they were in the mountains. Yes, actually that

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sounds very like a very remote like village. I guess

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you would call it like smaller than Yes, that sounds

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very similar, very similar. Because also this that place only

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had a church basically, and this place also only has

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a church. It's never good, no, So yeah, the homesteads,

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which in between those there was like small farmland which

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mostly grew beans. Then there was a couple of small

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radios for listening to religious services in the area Cortasal

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and then an evangelical church, and that evangelical church was

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Vision Celestial or Celestial Vision in English. And so this

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is the setting in which Vilma finds herself when the

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exorcism would take place. But before that happened, things were

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mostly fine. By all accounts, Vilma Trujillo was kind, loving,

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caring and funny. But when her mom passed away from cancer,

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Vilima had a crisis in a faith understandable right, A

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common a common occurrence. Yeah. While the rest of her

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family remained a Catholic, she and her younger sister converted

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into Evangelism and joined the Celestial Vision Church. I don't

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want to talk about a specific branch of Christianity, but

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it's so common to be preyed upon by the evangelical

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church when you are in the moment of crisis. And

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I have seen it myself with people that were Catholic beforehand.

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Not to say one is better than the other, although

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in these times whatever, I think it's fine to say, no,

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I'm just kidding, but yeah, I mean I seen it

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myself or someone you know, they had a crisis happen,

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and I've seen it in real life. Then, of course

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the many accounts online and stuff where you know they're

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going to through probably the most stressful times of their lives,

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and they unfortunately find the imagical church well and we've

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said this. I think we've said it more on estorias

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are known. It's possible that it has come up and

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Spooky tells too though, But like it's not false to

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say that the Evangelical Church does prey upon people, but

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also it's so important for people to know or to

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be aware of their The reason they have grown so

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much in Latin America is because of CIA, Because, yeah,

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Libertian theology was growing as a movement, which is where

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like you know, Catholics like Saint oscarro Meto were really

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really preaching about giving to the poor, about the real

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things that you're supposed to care about as a religious

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Catholic person, like Jesus, right, So that was a growing movement,

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and in order to stop that growing movement, they funded

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and inserted this evangelical movement into Latin America. And now

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in so many places that were formally Catholic, the majority

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church is Evangelical. And that's actually also the case here,

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which I'm sure Elkotasan was largely Catholic until recently when

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half the population had converted to the Emagelical Church. So

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when she joined this church, her husband noticed a change.

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She started to talk more about demons and how they

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were attacking her, something she never used to say. And

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you know what, that's such a common thing. I think

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they call it spiritual psychosis when it's extreme, but it's

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more of a thing in these evangelical and extreme fundamental

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Christian spaces than your regular role Catholic Saturday church going. Well,

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it's encouraged. It's encouraged, yeah, to say like, oh, I'm

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being spiritually attacked and things like that, to the point

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where people were making videos in the super Bowl that

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it was it was a demonic message from Kendrick Lamar,

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a spirituitual attack on Christian America, And I'm like, really,

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you're reading into this like of course are wild? Also

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like if you look at him, because we also did

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the episode on the what was it called oh Laluce Yes,

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lal Mundo, Yeah, when there's a whole like YouTube page

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that kid or was it Reddit. I don't remember interviews

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of people leaving La lucea Mundo because it literally is

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a cult like as we talked about in that episode,

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But there's people who talk about their experience in La

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Luce Mundo and they talk about like having been forced

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or encouraged to feel like they were being spiritually overwhelmed

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in a certain moment, and to like convulse and shake

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to get out of these like hours long sessions of

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confessions and things like that. So yeah, this is a

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very common common thing. He also felt like she was

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starting to pick more fights with him, especially after coming

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back home from church services, which was also unlike her.

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All of this really rammed up. In February of twenty seventeen,

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Vilma began to talk more about demons. She walked into

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her sister Madeleine's small house, and while Madelene gave her

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the usual high, something was wrong. Milma was walking all wobbly.

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She was knocking things over. She didn't look right. Her

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white part of her eyes as Clara, looked yellow, and

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her lips were super dry. When she finally spoke, she

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did not say hi, and her voice was dry and raspy.

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She told her sister, Madelene, do you know you won't

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give birth to a baby but to a serpent? Yikes.

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Then she fell to her knees began to cry and

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scream about the devil. Her sister had never seen her

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like this. Then Vilman began to hallucinate and talk to herself.

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They had already gone to the local cournandero, who gave

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her something to drink. They didn't know what this was,

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but she seemed the worse since she began to take it.

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Her husband tried to ask her to stop drinking it,

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but there was no reasoning with her. Her family knew

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she needed help, but it would take them a whole

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day to reach a doctor, so instead they reached out

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to a twenty three year old Juan Rocha, the young

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pastor from Celestial Vicion de la Samblea de Dios, the

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evangelical church, which he himself had not been a pastor

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of for very long. He had grown up in the area,

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was the son of a farmer and one of the

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more educated members of the community, having graduated fourth grade.

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It's unclear when or why he declared himself pastor of

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the church, but many went with it because of his education,

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so he agreed to go see her. He arrived to her

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home on the fifteenth of February of twenty seventeen and said,

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Milimasta and de Moniela vilma sita se liberada del mar

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klaiechocao vima is possessed. She needs to be freed from

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the evil that has caused her to fall into sin.

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He and his followers invited Vilma to follow them to

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a Templo Vistan. Vilma and her family were desperate, and

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they accepted. They walked for an hour along muddy paths

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until they reached the church on a secluded hillside. I'm

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just thinking of that movie you watched. Honestly, I wish

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I could remember the name of the movie. I know

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me too. I only remember the Hour of Blood, and

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I remember the name of the other one. Shaman is

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the movie we're talking about, and I think if you

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watch it, you can get an idea of what this

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place looks like, even though Shaman takes place in Peru.

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But you talked about mountains in jungle, right like that

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they had to walk through sa Yes, yes, that's why

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it's very much, very similar. Yeah. Vilma entered Juandrocha's small

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home in front of the church and recognized the others

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Pedro Jose, the young pastor's brother, Domasa, their sister, and

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Franklin Hadkin, Domasa's husband, all members and leaders within the

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small evangelical church. Bilma's father, Catalino, asked if he could

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stay with his sister Pajuan Rocha told her no, to

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go home and pray that's where he would be of service.

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They closed the door and tied her to a bed.

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Then four days they deprived her of food and water

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while the four recided prayers. Just second, when you're when

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you're worthholding food and like water from someone that's not

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that's torture, that's not like what rules are They're just

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making everything up as they go. They're making it up

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as they go. Yeah. Yeah. Throughout those days, Wilma's family

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tried knocking to see her, but they would be turned away,

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always told the same thing, she's not yet cured. After

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five days of being tied alone, away from her family,

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without food or water or her clothes, Vilma rebeled she

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had gone willingly, but the demons she had been experiencing

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were nothing compared to this. She's like, I'd rather be

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in the moniella. Honestly, she began to yell, this can't

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be my destiny. I'm hungry, I'm cold. This is not

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a cure, this is a punishment. On the fifth night,

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once the young pastor had left and she was on

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her own in the small room, she drank herself as

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far as her restraints would let her. Then with her

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feet she reached for a machette that was in the

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corner of the room. She cut the ropes off, grabbed

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the machette and ran out. She was swinging it in

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the air, telling them no more and to let her free.

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But the congregation was stronger than her and she was outnumbered.

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They overpowered her, and now they were sure she was possessed.

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That's like their proof. Now, how is that? Your response, like,

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you're not feeding her, you're not, you're not, You're repressing

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her in the most inhumane way. Of course, she's gonna

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fucking swing a machetta at you. Anyone would. Yeah, yeah,

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if this is how she reacted to help from God,

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of course she was possessed. Ridiculous very. As the men

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dragged her back to the room, the pastor stood next

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to her and whispered, magnana magna tolsto tomorrow, God will

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save you. Tomorrow, this will all be over. Oh my god,

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he's planning a killer, isn't he. That's so ominous, Like

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what an honest thing to say? Sounds like a threat,

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That doesn't sound like what that's supposed to be. Comfort

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to confirming. Wow, I can't comforting. Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah,

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I'm forgetting how to talk. Wow. Yeah, we don't record

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for two weeks. You know what. It was all the

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fatigue from moving and then I got sick immediately after.

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I see it. I see it, yeah, be m. I

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had no idea what the pastor was referring to, but

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it turns out that Juan Da had a divine revelation

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on the sixth night. He told the congregation. This divine revelation,

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the demons could be expelled through the flames. She will

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only be free from this evil if we purify her

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in fire. What the fuck? That's again, They're just like

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making shit up as they go. I'm trying to think

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of the most like depraved shit, Like that's crazy, that's

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what happens in these bass. Yes, absolutely don't have compassion

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for her, he said, because this is the devil we're

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talking about. She must burn from toes to head. She

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will die, but she will resussitate free from her torment.

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I'm sorry, what the hell? Yeah, And this is like

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the case that we talked about, you know, when we

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did those yeah series of episodes, but like there was

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that crazy not sorry, crazy that's not correct. There was

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that lady who was a club I'm finding for my

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life to not say crazy episode. I'm like, this is

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fucking crazy. It's hard, it's hard. Yeah. But this lady

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who you know, was not really she was like a

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co leader basically, but she was like exercising a boy

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and then like, oh, he'll risk us to state, he'll

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resusitate like after we're done, and no, they just like

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they killed him like he of course he didn't come

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back to life, like please. It also reminds me if

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you're in the US. I don't remember the state, probably

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somewhere in the midwest South, if I'm being honest, but

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I don't remember. In Texas, I don't remember, but there

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was this evangelical church that some members had their daughter

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I think it was, that died and then the pastor

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or whoever some leader kept like swearing like they had

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had some vision from God that she would come back

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to life and they just need to pray over her. Yeah,

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And they prayed over her for I don't know how long,

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and obviously she didn't come back to life, of course,

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and I don't remember what the outcome like if there was,

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I'm assuming there was some kind of criminal proceedings. That's

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why we learned about this later. But I don't remember

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exactly what happened after. Okay, back to the story. He

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ordered members to gather wood for the fire. In the meantime,

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Pedro Rocha and Franklin had been tied her down to

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a guava tree next to the fire pit that was

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being built. The members worked on this over the next

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four hours. Vilma had to watch this fire grow until

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maybe out of losing patients or who knows what, she

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was thrown into the flames by the paser. Oh my god. Well,

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to this day, it's not clear she was pushed into

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the fire or if the fire had grown so much

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that it engulfed her. Either way, horrible. Yeah. Kuandrocha claims

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that Vilma levitated herself and fell into the fire. Juan,

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I'm gonna need you to shut the fuck up. No

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Ena will fite you personally, doesn't watch that she burned

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her fifteen year old sister, who had been there the

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whole time because she was a member of the church too.

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Could hear as her sister cried out again and again,

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I'm going to die. I'm going to die. She had

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been inside the church praying, and though maybe she smelled

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the fire, she had no idea that her sister was

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going to be burned alive. She listened in shock and

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frozen fear as the leaders of her church repeatedly yelled

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that her sister would soon resurrect free from the demons.

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She managed to break free from the congregation and ran

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to her tia Anhela's house an hour away. Right, that's wild.

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Once she got to her tas she cried out, they

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burned her. They burned her. Her father, Catalino, her Thea,

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and her cousin all followed her back to the church

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as fast as he could. It was midday. By the

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time they had arrived. The last of the flames were

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still flickering, and they found Vilma behind the church, naked

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and with burns covering eighty percent of her body. She's

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so alive. Wow. She asked for water. Catalino and his

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nephew carried Vilma in their arms back to her ta

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Anhila's house, again an hour away. Oh my gosh. There

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they called for more family members, cousins, siblings, and uncles.

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Together they made a stretcher from my hammock and two

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poles as they put this together, Vilma reassured her crying

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five year old son. She told him los pastorsitos me

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about these on the little pastors baptized me. Oh my god,

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I can't even imagine the trauma of this five year old.

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And also then in your brain cementing these two things together,

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your burned mother and baptism, yeap, oh my god. Also

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I forgot to put it in the notes. But these

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people waited basically because like her husband, she has two kids, right,

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one is the five year old, and then there's a

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younger daughter with her current husband. They waited until he

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and the younger daughter were gone visiting his mom because

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it was helping his mom get better. And they basically

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waited for that to happen to like do the worst

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of what they did. Oh wow, like it was when

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he was gone, that was gone. Let burn her, Oh

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my god. Once they made the stretcher, the family members

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took turns carrying her for twelve hours through rivers, muddy paths,

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and the rainforests. When they finally reached the hospital in Rosita,

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the doctors were shocked at the state of Vilma's body.

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They had to send her to the main hospital in Managua,

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but first she had to be taken to an airport

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twenty miles away from Rosita and then flown to the capitol. Sadly,

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by the time she arrived it was too late. Of course,

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all the time in the distance that they had to

441
00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:30.319
travel just to get there, and then she still needed more.

442
00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:36.119
The fact that she remained alive for so long after

443
00:25:36.519 --> 00:25:42.559
is it's wild yeah. Vilma Trujillo died on February twenty eight,

444
00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:47.440
twenty seventeen, from pulmonary edema because of the swelling from

445
00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:50.680
the burns. Her lungs were filling with blood, and she

446
00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:56.720
also had multiple organ failure. It's terrible, yeah. After her death,

447
00:25:56.799 --> 00:25:59.920
reports flooded into Rosita, where Juan Rocha and his brother

448
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:02.680
were sitting in the back of a pickup truck. They

449
00:26:02.720 --> 00:26:05.880
were now in police custody. A reporter asked, why did

450
00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:08.799
you burn her? But Juandro insisted that the spirit lifted

451
00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:11.759
her up and she fell into the fire. While ju

452
00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:15.240
maintained this version of events, his brother in law, Franklin

453
00:26:15.319 --> 00:26:18.319
had Kin, also in police custody, claimed that Vilma had

454
00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:21.279
committed an error, that she had a life partner and

455
00:26:21.319 --> 00:26:25.160
she committed a mistake with another man. So is Franklin

456
00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:29.680
saying that Vilma cheated on her partner and that's why

457
00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:33.119
she became demonic. Yes, that's why she became possessed.

458
00:26:41.880 --> 00:27:04.200
Ok Moniamonia rapp is all you can open as a girl,

459
00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:11.440
the one prog com process you are now okay you

460
00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:16.440
I can all of them and the rectiva and what.

461
00:27:16.599 --> 00:27:26.519
A personal RECTI them. There's a quem h h is

462
00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:28.920
gonna practice a similar com maala.

463
00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:38.319
No no no no in the manalment and a super bient.

464
00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:44.440
People can as a car. You're following my attament and

465
00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:51.400
grander and can you come on a camera rap create okay,

466
00:27:51.519 --> 00:28:04.720
present that came persent you okay, yeah, that's a ut

467
00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:15.759
and the man will okay, then.

468
00:28:16.039 --> 00:28:26.759
Come young roll and for com comment yeah yeah you

469
00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:40.799
know and American themn MA man, yeah young okay.

470
00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:42.799
The number and.

471
00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:56.000
Come frankly Franklin. Franklin, put y you are by some.

472
00:28:57.640 --> 00:28:58.000
To mar.

473
00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:09.599
Does a person.

474
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:14.400
Basically they're saying what we just said in Spanish. Okay.

475
00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:18.000
In reality, it's likely that Vilma had been raped by

476
00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:20.799
a man. This is all lleged, but could be what

477
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:24.640
led to her mental breakdown, because this is alleged. It

478
00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:27.920
was never investigated, but there were rumors, but no one

479
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:30.599
will ever know what was disturbing Vilma a week before

480
00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:34.799
her gruesome murder. The rumors, which can't be proven now,

481
00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:37.240
were that she had been drugged and raped by the

482
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:40.319
local curandero, the very same one who was giving her

483
00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:43.200
the drink that her family believed was making her crazy,

484
00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:48.559
and that the church took this rape as adultery. Juandrocha Pedro,

485
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:53.559
Jose Tomasa, Franklin Harkin, and the fifth congregation member, Esneeda

486
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:57.799
Orosco were all charged with various things, including kidnapping and murder.

487
00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:01.240
The trial was held in Mana, and those who attended

488
00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:05.079
stated none of the five looked remorseful. Of course they didn't.

489
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:10.759
Of course, God was on their side, according to them, exactly, Oh,

490
00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:13.160
that reminds me of this inferiiting phrase I read and

491
00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:18.920
the flower traveled in my blood? What I was or

492
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:22.319
was someone else? It was either Videla or one of

493
00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:25.839
the other top military people. During one of their trials,

494
00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:28.799
said basically that they felt no remorse because God was

495
00:30:28.839 --> 00:30:32.599
on their side. Basically, it's what they said. Of course.

496
00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:38.440
On May ninth, the judge sentenced all five was thirty

497
00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:41.559
to thirty six years, stating they acted with treachery and

498
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:45.119
abuse of confidence. The Assembly of God church has stated

499
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:47.720
they did not have a pastor named Juandrocha and that

500
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:50.279
the media began to use the word pastor, but Juan

501
00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:53.440
was more of a lay preacher, and although the Vision

502
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:56.799
Telestian Church in El Cortstal was part of the Assemblies

503
00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:00.000
of God, it was not an organized church in Morelane,

504
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:04.640
a potential future church, so clearly trying to distance themselves

505
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:07.240
from the situation, trying to be like, oh no, that

506
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:09.799
wasn't a real preacher of ours, a real pastor of ours,

507
00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:11.960
like it wasn't our fault, and then trying to be

508
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:15.039
like that wasn't even like a real like partner of

509
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:17.240
ours or church of ours. It was like they were

510
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:21.960
en an upcoming affiliate or something like that. Yeah. When

511
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:25.200
the superintendent of the Assemblies of God in Nicaragua was

512
00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:28.240
questioned by journalist Vicki Baker, he lost his patients and

513
00:31:28.279 --> 00:31:31.359
snapped while he said, in over one hundred years, nothing

514
00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:33.720
like this has happened before, and why don't you mention

515
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:35.759
the good things we do, like build houses and run

516
00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:39.720
schools for the death I'm sure they had some other issue,

517
00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:41.920
maybe nothing to this extent, but I'm sure they're not

518
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:45.839
of no, no, no, maybe nothing as this public in

519
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:51.359
this specific town. But these kind of cases are more

520
00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:58.079
than common within churches that are affiliated with the evangelical

521
00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:04.599
or a evangelical church. So also, the same superintendent has

522
00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:07.640
expressed sympathy for the five perpetrators and that their sentences

523
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:13.279
are too long. They burned a woman what do you mean, yeah, yeah,

524
00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:18.440
before and that they burned her after starving her, starving

525
00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:22.720
her and keeping water from her tied for five days.

526
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:27.119
Oh my god, he said, In my opinion, this young

527
00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:29.599
person might have thrown herself into the fire, because I

528
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:31.759
don't believe that five people who are praying are going

529
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:34.240
to all agree to draw someone into a fire. Well,

530
00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:37.920
then you're a dumb bitch. This is the superintendent of

531
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:43.440
the Assemblies of God churches in Nicaragua. Mm hmmm. He

532
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:45.759
even went on to say that there's plenty of evidence

533
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:49.000
that that crazy woman did it to herself. Bitch, I

534
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:53.039
will fight you too. What is the superintendent's name here?

535
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:56.119
It's so I'm gonna put our sources in the show notes.

536
00:32:56.200 --> 00:33:02.559
But this is from bayez Oh. I get so much

537
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:05.039
info from them, yes, but also the BBC also put

538
00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:11.559
it on there. So it's this article this big, it's

539
00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:14.200
like a very long piece on BBC. Well you'll see

540
00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:17.440
the lean it's BBC dot CO dot UK and then

541
00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:24.759
it says nikaiwa exorcism. But this superintendent to name is

542
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:30.240
Raphael Arista, that is the superintendent of the Assemblies of

543
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:34.519
God in Nicaragua, who set all this nonsense. Although in

544
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:36.720
the same article, if you look into it, you'll see

545
00:33:36.759 --> 00:33:40.400
that while that's like the position of like the main

546
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:45.920
guy of this church, there was another pastor who where

547
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:49.440
did it go? Hold on? Okay? Because yeah, after she

548
00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:53.640
this went public, there was protests and they were throwing

549
00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:56.799
like rocks at the Church of Assemblies, Church of the

550
00:33:56.799 --> 00:34:00.319
Assemblies of God in Rosita, and they were throwing and

551
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:04.519
stuff in there, and the pastor there, his name is Sabakarees,

552
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:09.480
and he was like, how did one of them not

553
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:13.480
step back and say this is not right? Yes? And

554
00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:16.920
he he also concedes that Vima is likely to have

555
00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:19.800
been mentally ill rather than controlled by the devil, and

556
00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:23.079
that there was no need for an exorcism. So it

557
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:26.760
seems that like at least someone within this church is

558
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:34.320
not terrible. Yeah. Wow. While the evangelical church in Nicaragua

559
00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:37.280
has tried to blame Vima herself for her murder, human

560
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:39.719
rights activists in the country have made sure to call

561
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:44.320
this what it was, not just murder but femicide. Muriel Lutierez,

562
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:46.880
who works for a human rights organization in Rosita, has

563
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:50.079
stated that Evilma had been a man, Juan Rocha would

564
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:52.239
not have felt entitled to do what he had done,

565
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:56.960
And I agree because really it's right. Technically, the official

566
00:34:57.360 --> 00:34:59.639
what falls undro a femicide is like a woman murdered

567
00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:02.280
by someone an intimate in an intimate relationship with her.

568
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:05.880
But to activists in the country, they're like, even though

569
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:11.000
that doesn't fully apply, it kind of does because it's

570
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:13.440
kind of still a famoside because this would have never

571
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:19.719
happened to a man. Yeah. And also the unconfirmed reason

572
00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:23.000
that they felt they needed to do this is because

573
00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:26.880
supposedly she stepped out of the marriage. In reality, most

574
00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:29.920
likely she was assaulted and to them, that was her

575
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:35.199
sin that made her possess which then not entitled them,

576
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:39.920
but like that was their reason, that was their reason. Yeah. Also,

577
00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:44.000
I read another interview and I think it's I don't

578
00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:46.280
think I saved it, but there was an interview in

579
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:48.679
Spanish with the husband and he was like, I feel

580
00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:52.280
like the pastor was like the cause of the fights

581
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:55.119
that Vitamam was coming home and starting to pick fights

582
00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:57.960
with her husband, and the husband was like very wary

583
00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:03.119
of juandrochat if he was trying to drive awedge between

584
00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:08.039
them or yes, for nefarious purposes. I'm like, maybe hinting

585
00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:12.800
at this pastor was like trying to get with Villema

586
00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:15.840
and then when it didn't work, or maybe this was

587
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:17.960
his chance to cure her and then you know who

588
00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:21.119
knows honestly, Yeah, it's not far fetched. I don't think No,

589
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:25.559
I don't think so. And yeah, that was that was

590
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:29.599
the case. Wow, that was intense. It was intense. And

591
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:35.840
it's not in like our notes anywhere, but religious violence

592
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:39.599
or violence toward women in the name of religion has

593
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:44.519
like gotten a lot worse in recent years in Nikarawa

594
00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:47.239
because it really Yeah, it's this in the same article

595
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:54.880
I was reading, So where is this? Yeah, somewhere in

596
00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:59.000
that article it says that it has grown, but I'm

597
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:02.519
going to read this section here. In twenty fourteen came

598
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:06.519
a further setback for women's rights campaigners. President Daniel Ortega

599
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:09.760
issued a decree widening the role of community groups and

600
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:14.039
resolving domestic disputes, making it even more difficult for women

601
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:18.920
to press criminal charges. Overall, the message seems clear, deal

602
00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:21.119
with it or get your community to deal with it.

603
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:25.480
The country's sand Nistan government has become increasingly religious since

604
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:29.639
its revolutionary days, and since that has been happening, the

605
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:34.760
more laws that have passed, like abortion take it away

606
00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:38.039
women's rights, and then the more like violence towards women

607
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:40.880
has grown, and it's an issue like femicides or issue

608
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:45.360
all over the world, but like Latin America also, and

609
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:49.119
so that is kind of informing this whole case, and

610
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:53.159
it's important, I feel to note that that is the

611
00:37:53.159 --> 00:37:56.639
context of all this, which is a lot like again,

612
00:37:56.960 --> 00:38:00.440
so many I listened to like a couple other episodes

613
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:03.000
talking about this, and these episodes are like fifteen minutes

614
00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:06.960
long because they're not even like the one is exploring

615
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:11.760
the context in which like this violence is normalized and okay, right,

616
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:16.960
like this violence toward women which Vima is a victim of,

617
00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:20.440
mm hmm. It's that in a lot of these places

618
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:22.639
doesn't even count as violence because it's like it's just

619
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:26.039
so normal. Yeah, and that's it. That's all I wanted

620
00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:28.760
to say. My voice is giving up. Oh and yeah,

621
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:33.480
and then like even the whole evangelical aspect of this,

622
00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:39.599
like it has a long tie with colonization, as does

623
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:47.000
violence against women. So yeah, and then another, I mean

624
00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:49.840
we already talked a little bit about the CIA pushing

625
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:52.239
right vangelical church in Latin America.

626
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:52.599
But.

627
00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:58.480
Evangelical or like more, I mean Mormon falls onto evangelical

628
00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:03.519
right Mormonism, the Mormon tent. They're like like a branch Christianity. Okay,

629
00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:09.280
these form these churches that send people into these remote areas.

630
00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:13.079
What is that called pratell ties or something like that?

631
00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:15.400
Howl long, Yeah, I never know how to pronounce. They

632
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:17.719
go and they have their little missions and missionaries.

633
00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:18.000
You know.

634
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:24.519
That is akin to modern day colonization. And I highly

635
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:27.679
suggest everyone reads, not only because we love her, but

636
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:31.880
because it's such an important book. But for brown girls,

637
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:35.920
oh sorry, really quick, it's called Procella tides when they

638
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:41.199
go and try to convert into their religion. The book

639
00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:46.239
is called Four Brown Girls with Sharp Bitges and Tender Hearts. Yes,

640
00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:51.039
and Tender Hearts by so her book, she talks about

641
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:54.599
she is from Nicarawa, and she talks about how like

642
00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:58.440
her first memories are these like missionaries coming and there's

643
00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:01.199
some of them like that did whatever good they were

644
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:04.639
there to do without taking pictures, without trying to convert anyone,

645
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:06.719
And those were like that, so real good people. But

646
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:10.079
then there was the people who went and they they

647
00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:13.360
gave these things but demanded something in return, and many

648
00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:18.400
times that was photo ops that would look good back home.

649
00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:24.119
But also they demanded their faith, they demanded their conversion.

650
00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:28.559
And then maybe when you know, that's when things can

651
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:31.920
get a little dangerous because these are very controlling, high

652
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:43.199
control organizations that are very sexist. Yeah, so that's all that,

653
00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:47.840
I think all that informs this case. Yeah, and everyone

654
00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:49.480
should read that book because she talks about it in

655
00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:52.360
the first free chapters. It's amazing it is, and it's

656
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:56.000
also yeah, it's just amazing. So is theas and Prima's

657
00:40:56.079 --> 00:40:59.360
unknowing and loving the Woman who raised us. Yes, another

658
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:05.239
amazing book. But yeah, all these things you know, ti

659
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:08.079
in when looking at something as horrible as what happened

660
00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:11.119
to Villa Matriquillo, that which didn't need to happen That's

661
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:14.400
why I feel like I'm not picky because you know,

662
00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:18.159
you did the true crime notes, but I no, But

663
00:41:18.280 --> 00:41:20.880
I present to you a case and then you tell me, no,

664
00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:24.239
this has no like, this is not this is just sensational,

665
00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:27.599
like this isn't Yeah, there's nothing behind this. So I

666
00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:30.920
am picky about what because for me, I feel like

667
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:34.360
true crime doesn't exist on its own, in its own

668
00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:37.480
vacuum with nothing else infecting it, right, it exists in

669
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:44.440
the world of sexism, of racism, of all the isms. Basically. Yeah,

670
00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:46.480
And that's why, like in the beginning, I think maybe

671
00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:49.000
I did pick like these more, which is whine you're

672
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:51.159
living you learn you know what? I yes, exactly, thank you,

673
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:55.480
But yeah, I and even if it's not specifically having

674
00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:58.719
to do that, like those things are always in our minds.

675
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:01.320
So like, I feel like we always make a point

676
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:03.519
to talk about those aspects when it comes to a

677
00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:07.239
true crime case because I feel like you can't talk

678
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:09.920
about just the crime in the perpetrator and the victim

679
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:13.760
by itself. Like we live in society. That's I say,

680
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:18.360
things in that society, yeah, are always affecting what is happening,

681
00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:22.000
even when it comes to the perpetrators of violence. Oh yeah,

682
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:27.400
which no one wants to hear, but whatever. Yeah, yeah,

683
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:30.960
but yeah, I guess it's a place to wrap up

684
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and move on to a recommendation. Yes, let's take a

685
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little break here and then we'll come back with spooky

686
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:47.000
recommendations and we're back. Do you want to go first? Yeah?

687
00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:53.079
I finally watched the show Laid on Peacock And is

688
00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:54.519
this spooky?

689
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:55.119
Sort of?

690
00:42:55.360 --> 00:43:01.199
Because well, tell me, I only watched one episode. Oh really, okay,

691
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:04.239
well the show I think it involves a curse, so

692
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:07.440
that's why it's yes, spooky, you're right, you're right. Yeah,

693
00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:13.360
So I forgot everyone's characters named already, but the main character, yeah,

694
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:18.760
I don't remember anyone's names. Basically, she finds out that

695
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:22.199
anyone that she has slept with or hooked up with

696
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:25.320
in any sexual way is dying. They're dying in the

697
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:28.239
order that she has hooked up with them, and then

698
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:30.320
her and her best friend you know, are trying to

699
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:33.039
solve this and figure out what's going on. That's basically

700
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:36.280
what it's about. But it's also about their friendship. And

701
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:40.199
our main character is a horrible person, honestly. Yeah, And

702
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:43.119
I love watching shows about horrible people. That's true, we

703
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:46.960
both do. She's so selfish, and you know what, you

704
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:48.599
know why I think I like shows like that because

705
00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:50.079
deep down, that's the way that I am, and I

706
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:52.000
had to fight every day to not be like that.

707
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:57.000
It's the truth. I'm just gonna admit it. No, yeah, same, yeah, yeah,

708
00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:01.320
when it comes to every day's a battle to be

709
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:06.599
a decent person because deep down I am horrible. Yes, yeah,

710
00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:11.039
it is my true nature. And the main character is

711
00:44:11.119 --> 00:44:16.280
truly horrible, and so she has hurt a lot of people,

712
00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:21.000
and so it's also her confronting herself and her behaviors.

713
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:24.400
I love when people are forced to confront their behaviors.

714
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:28.079
She literally is because people are dying. Yeah, people are

715
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:33.119
dying him. But it's funny. It was good. I liked it.

716
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:35.840
I recommend it. I gotta finish watching it. Yeah, but

717
00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:37.800
there's only one season, and I'm hoping it's not one

718
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:39.920
of those times where they don't do a second season.

719
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:42.320
I forgot to check when what year came out, because

720
00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:44.039
I'm like, how much time has passed in the first season.

721
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:49.119
I really no, that doesn't give me hope because I

722
00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:51.239
wanted to see the rest because at the end because

723
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:53.679
she is strange from her dad, and at the end,

724
00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:58.880
her dad comes to her and he's like, this happened

725
00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:01.320
to me too, And I think that is a reason.

726
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:06.920
Sorry spoilers, I think that's a reason why he became

727
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:09.599
a strained from her because her mom died. Because everyone

728
00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:11.920
that the dad has the same thing happened to him.

729
00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:13.679
And so I'm like, I would love to see what's next,

730
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:15.199
but I don't know if there's gonna be a second

731
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:20.320
I don't know. Yeah, but it was a good show.

732
00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:23.320
I think I think our listeners would enjoy it because

733
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:25.920
there's also like a true true crime aspect to it

734
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:29.039
where the best friend is upsessed with true crime. Okay, okay,

735
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:38.000
I'll have to check this out finish like it. Yeah, yeah,

736
00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:40.800
I have a speaking recommendation, which oh my god, did

737
00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:45.239
I already recommend it The Buffalo Hunter Hunter. You talked

738
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:46.880
about it, but you hadn't finished reading it a yet

739
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:50.760
or listening to it. Okay, Oh yeah, because Susta it

740
00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:52.480
was the book club pick. But then I had to

741
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:55.840
miss it because I was in the middle, in the

742
00:45:55.880 --> 00:45:59.960
midst of moving, in the trenches of moving, so I

743
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:02.000
didn't get to attend the book club meeting. But I

744
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:04.960
did finish the book, but I reading Retreat and then

745
00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:08.400
I also sent Save You're Sorry the podcast they share

746
00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:11.239
medias I listened to your recommendation. I sent it to

747
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:13.239
them as well. Yeah again, and I needed to tell

748
00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:18.880
everyone about the book. But yes, the book is amazing. First,

749
00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:21.039
I think we might have said it here or when

750
00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:24.320
we talked about Sinners on Patreon with MJ. But vampires

751
00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:30.159
are having their moment, and yes that is a recession indicator. Yeah,

752
00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:32.760
and the Buffalo Hunter Hunter is one of my new

753
00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:36.840
favorite vampire media. I can't wait to reading. You will

754
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:39.039
on my list. You will absolutely love it, you know.

755
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:41.119
And I loved his other book. The only other one

756
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:44.039
I've listened to is The Only Good Indians and that

757
00:46:44.119 --> 00:46:46.840
was amazing. That's on my TVR as well. I haven't

758
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:50.840
read it, but I did the audiobook, not the book.

759
00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:52.719
The audiobook production amazing.

760
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:53.320
Well.

761
00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:55.239
I did the same for The Only Good Indians, and

762
00:46:55.280 --> 00:46:57.639
I've heard I feel I feel like a lot of

763
00:46:57.679 --> 00:47:02.599
people either love Steep what is it, Stephen Graham, Jon Yes,

764
00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:05.000
or they hate them or they hate them. And I'm

765
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:08.039
in the camp of love. But most people that don't

766
00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:10.480
like to read his books. They like listening to them.

767
00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:19.079
So interesting. Interesting, said, but yeah, the audiobook is so good.

768
00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:25.199
It follows. So there's three timelines, well, sort of three perspectives.

769
00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:26.679
I think I'm about to read it because I have

770
00:47:26.719 --> 00:47:30.000
a hard time listening. Well, it's easy, I think. I

771
00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:33.920
think it's easier because they're different narrators. Oh okay, then yeah,

772
00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:37.440
I could do it. It follows. So it's a pastor, like,

773
00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:42.440
it's in twenty twelve. I want to say it's twenty fourteen. No,

774
00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:45.480
it is twenty twelve. The present day timeline in twenty

775
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:49.480
twelve is the she's a professor. She is the ends

776
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:53.199
up being a descendant of the nineteen twelve timeline, which

777
00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:56.960
is a pastor. I love a timeline. Yes, I love

778
00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:02.079
family members in different generations. Yeah, one hundred years apart.

779
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:05.119
I love that. Yeah. And so her dissertation is trying

780
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:10.119
to transcribe this journal of her descendant in nineteen twelve.

781
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:12.960
I'm sorry to keep cutting you off. I feel like,

782
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:18.880
what is the new book? Why did I want to

783
00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:20.639
say the enchanted? And I'm like, I know that's wrong.

784
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:24.679
Close though, I feel like the Bewitching is going to

785
00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:27.000
be kind of like this because I know it's like

786
00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:31.239
has those academia by vibes. It does have academic vibes

787
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:36.719
like you said, And there is timeline also generations fectives. Yeah,

788
00:48:36.920 --> 00:48:41.039
so okay, and you know we are suckers for different timelines,

789
00:48:41.599 --> 00:48:44.800
yes we are. And so yeah, that's why this book

790
00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:47.880
was amazing already, so that there's that famidle connection. But

791
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:50.679
also it's in the midst of these atrocities that happened

792
00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:54.400
in nineteen two, all these massacres, and again there's a

793
00:48:54.480 --> 00:49:02.679
vampire and basically the pastor is worse to reckon with

794
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:07.440
his past, and there's like a twist in the end

795
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:10.199
that I was just I was floored. Oh my god,

796
00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:13.679
it's so good, Like I want you to finish. I

797
00:49:13.719 --> 00:49:16.679
want you to so we can yap about it. Yes, okay,

798
00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:20.440
maybe i'll listen to it after I well, I'm listening

799
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:25.079
to Cackle by Rachel Harrison and then my hold for

800
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:28.639
every One is gone from here. Oh yeah, I know

801
00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:30.840
that one. Yeah, came through nineteen three of the two

802
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:33.639
I need to listen to and then okay, yes we

803
00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:35.960
need to yap about it. I missed the Soustal Book

804
00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:38.719
Club discussion, so I need to talk about it somewhere

805
00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:41.360
I need It's like, I'm frowding at the mouth. You

806
00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:46.920
need to discuss this, need to discuss the recap debrief, Yes, exactly. Yeah.

807
00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:51.400
Also another thing we need to yap about is sibling

808
00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:56.800
horror media that falls under sibling horror for Patreon. So

809
00:49:57.320 --> 00:49:59.119
I've been on our list begging you to do this

810
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:00.719
for like a week. But again, I was in the

811
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:02.920
middle of movie and it was impossible. Yeah, it was

812
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:04.280
my fault. We could in and I was like, hey,

813
00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:06.599
we need to do this, and I was like, okay,

814
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:10.159
she just don't have remikes on Earth, but okay, yeah,

815
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:12.280
I know, I know. Also, yeah, I had plans. I

816
00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:14.159
also had a plan for another Patreon episode that we

817
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:17.960
were going to record and then maybe next week. Either way,

818
00:50:18.239 --> 00:50:21.400
these will be up on Patreon eventually, you know. Yeah,

819
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:28.239
So yeah, that's it for this episode. I think, all right, yeah,

820
00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:30.800
I don't know, even if you're not in the Philippines,

821
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:34.719
say tabee tabi poe when you're entering any space and

822
00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:37.559
you'll be good. I think it'll protect you anywhere. M

823
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:42.039
all right, stay spooky and we'll catch everyone next time.

824
00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:46.800
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825
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:50.760
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826
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spooky and old English letters. There's a beanie. I love

842
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the beanie. There's also a hat. There's a no Mamus

843
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crap TOMPs, sweaters. It's almost wetter weather. We're nearing a

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